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@steeljan Oh, and that’s 5 U.S. gallons making all-grain, vs 6.5 gallons (5 imperial gallons) making the Coopers. Please explain how all-grain is cheaper. Thanks, and again, thanks for not putting down us extract brewers, you’re a good man.
Comment by steeljan — April 2, 2010 @ 8:22 pm
@steeljan – as far as i can tell thats because coopers is dirt cheap, and as far as I have ever heard there is a good reason, it is low on quality and taste.
My LHBS has 10 all grain kits that they sell between 23-29$, you can add anywhere from 2 to 7$ for yeast, and that’s a complete kit. However, if you actually become an AG Brewer the price drops even further, like 40-50$ for 50lbs of base malt, and bulk pricing for hops bought by the pound.
AG runs 30-50% less per batch at that point.
Comment by OPE08 — April 2, 2010 @ 8:27 pm
@Zagroseckt – I was an extract brewer for the first 4 years I brewed, I just never used coopers, and I have yet to hear anything positive about their actual quality from sources that I trust, that’s not being close-minded, that’s trusting your research.
Even PEI says he uses it because he has no access to anything else, and he has to add ingredients to make it acceptable, that tells me something.
I have 21 videos that look at brewing, and I have suggested morebeers website numerous times…
Comment by OPE08 — April 2, 2010 @ 8:33 pm
@steeljan its not “Us extract brewers” brother, we are all just brewers, we just all are at different stages of the game.
Remember, I started with partial extract, and having brewed at all levels its my opinion the partial extract is the best starting point. And pre-hopped, no-boil kits are just something I cannot understand, why would anyone stay at that level?
Let me ask you this, can you tell me the 5 best beers you’ve ever had? And how does your homebrew compare?
Comment by OPE08 — April 2, 2010 @ 8:39 pm
@OPE08 I had one goal getting into homebrew, to make something that I liked as much as Guiness Draught, that was cheaper. I’m retired now, so money is tight. After watching CraigTube, I made a Coopers Irish Stout with dme and corn sugar, and it blew Guiness Draught away for me forever. It’s not the same, but for me, I simply like it better, way better. Now I’m working my way through the various Coopers flavors, adding various dmes, etc. Happy.
Comment by steeljan — April 2, 2010 @ 9:01 pm
@Zagroseckt – thats worth repeating. Many beers benefit from PATIENCE! A few more days or a week in the fermenter, let the yeast do what they can. Three to six MONTHS of bottle conditioning, instead of drinking it just as soon as you feel its ready, for maltier beers.
Comment by OPE08 — April 2, 2010 @ 9:04 pm
@steeljan – that’s awesome! And I guess if you have no desire or curiosity over any other process then that is that.
I don’t follow on this cans or all-grain thing, because it leaves out a few levels. I made a comment to you on craigs video I believe, would you be interested in trying a partial extract kit?
The only difference is a longer boil time, fresher ingredients, a pound or so “teabag” of grains, and you have to add the hops yourself. Thats it! no math, no extra equipment, nuttin’..
Comment by OPE08 — April 2, 2010 @ 9:18 pm
love your videos, great comments. I agree 100%. This is a hobby for 99% of us and the very small fraction of brewers that are jerks can give us all a bad image. Do whatever makes you the beer you like. If that is out of a can, then great. If you are like me and did 3 partial extracts and decided that AG was the way to go then fine. But dont be a jerk and rag on good people who only want to help others get into the hobby they also enjoy. Cheers and beers…
Comment by JOMalone3113 — April 2, 2010 @ 9:34 pm
@JOMalone3113 – Brother, you get the brass ring for that one, and thanks for representing the hobby the way it usually is.
Comment by OPE08 — April 2, 2010 @ 9:38 pm
@CraigTube Venting is always a good thing. I hope you do give some partial extracts a try, in fact like OPE08,I’d be morethan willing to donate a kit from a good supplier down here…just say the word and its yours. When i started researching brewing your videos where the 1st i saw and I liked them. I am an AG brewer now, but I still watch everyone of yours vids, if not for the info then for the fun. Keep em coming and to hell with the haters out there!!
Comment by JOMalone3113 — April 2, 2010 @ 11:22 pm
@TakeSomeAdvice I’ll reiterate what Zagroseckt said in a more concise manner: Canned kits are BETTER than Budweiser, better than Miller, better than Corona. I think that is what he meant, is it is better than most macro crap. It doesn’t come close to a beer like Fuller’s, Newcastle, etc. though.
Comment by PeiHomeBrewer — April 3, 2010 @ 1:25 am
Just sayin, U have to figure in the extra fuel cost ( propane used for @ least 1hour Vrs 7mins to boil 1,- 2GAL water ) when sayin wich ways cheaper.
Comment by WannaBeDj100 — April 3, 2010 @ 2:22 am
Also, Time is MONEY to some people. Not me, but I wished so…
Comment by WannaBeDj100 — April 3, 2010 @ 2:25 am
@PeiHomeBrewer – I’d imagine they are, but my first partial extract was nearly a clone of Newcastle, that speaks to the kits quality, as well as the benefit of steeping grains, and a proper boil for hop utilization.
I guess its like going to the local privately owned BBQ joint for a burger rather than going to Mcdonalds right?
Comment by OPE08 — April 3, 2010 @ 12:51 pm
@WannaBeDj100 – but in that case, and that case only, you are comparing a pre-hopped can to all grain, I’m talking about a quality kit, where the hops are added by you. There are no price comps for that kind of setup that I can find, because its like asking a restaurant how their food compares to “Kraft mac&cheez”.
At some point you have to admit that its “way cheaper” for a reason.
Go to morebeer com and look at the pricing on all of their kits.
Comment by OPE08 — April 3, 2010 @ 12:55 pm
@OPE08 Interesting you say that.
my verry first batch still has most of a case sitting in the fridge. temp fluxes to much to room store it.
i’m going to let it stay in there for a good while to. trying one every month or so to see the diffrince.
Comment by Zagroseckt — April 3, 2010 @ 2:13 pm
I already know the prices, Thats what I brew. “Midwest Brewery Kits”
Comment by WannaBeDj100 — April 3, 2010 @ 10:05 pm
@OPE08 I already admited that the ingredients are ” Way cheaper ” my point Is, its cheaper cause its your fuel & time to get AG kit to the level of A Extract grain kit …. Not theirs ! Of course My Extract Grain Kits are going to cost me A little more, CAUSE Their using their time- skills- to put togater A condensed kit.
Comment by WannaBeDj100 — April 3, 2010 @ 10:22 pm
@JOMalone3113 Well, that sounds like a great offer dude. I would love to try something new. I owe it to my viewers, as OPE08 says. Send me a PM and I’ll hand you my address etc. Thanks!
Comment by CraigTube — April 4, 2010 @ 2:44 am
@TakeSomeAdvice I’ve been running out of home brew lately because I hurt my back a few weeks ago and was very sore. Couldn’t brew anything. I had to buy some beer and honestly man, I tried three different brands and couldn’t get more than three down without gagging. My home brew doesn’t do that to me. I think you are being too harsh on the cans. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but you can’t generalize to people that kits suck, when there are large amounts of people who find them quite good.
Comment by CraigTube — April 4, 2010 @ 2:50 am
@TakeSomeAdvice This is part 2. The dark ale I just reviewed was as good as I said. Maybe the keg helped, I don’t know. I think this debate is over and the audience has left. Let’s all agree to disagree on some things and do our best to help each other and promote our individual genres of brewing, without stepping on each other’s toes. All in favour? … I say this with all do respect TSA. You’re a good lad.
Comment by CraigTube — April 4, 2010 @ 3:08 am
@CraigTube – what are you buying craig? bud miller coors? or whatever the canadian equivalents are?
Ever had anything of the top 25 of Ratebeers top 100 beers?
Comment by OPE08 — April 4, 2010 @ 7:37 pm
@OPE08 Well due to price, I usually buy micro brewed beer. It’s good, but it just doesn’t go down as easily as home brew. It also gives me a headache. As far as top beers, I don’t know the contestants, but I’d say St. Peter’s beers are top, and the Young’s Chocolate Stout is a close second. Those beers go down like a cold glass of heaven. I could drink them all day. I have to say that the beer I normally buy is much better than Miller or Coors. Those things are Yuk! I drink Upper Canada usually.
Comment by CraigTube — April 4, 2010 @ 8:35 pm
@CraigTube – “due to price I usually buy micro”? But micro is more expensive, did you mean macro?
Youngs double chocolate is my wife’s fave, the st peters I’ve had have been good.
I gotta tell you, if I dont have a homebrew or a microbrew, then I don’t have a beer. I flat out stopped drinking the cheap stuff, except the rare bottle at the in-laws.
Comment by OPE08 — April 4, 2010 @ 11:21 pm
@OPE08 The Upper Canada stuff is micro beer. It’s way cheaper than some macro beer here. It’s also good beer for a commercial run of the mill beer.
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